VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

ashitanojoe said:

I disagree. I think that hiring someone is strictly necessary for speed it up the work. There are branches in which I'm not interested, like the second job, but the dev has expressed that he has great expectationts with that and is one of his surprises. Maybe many people will like it, why take them out that pleasure?

Actually, the dev isn't slower than others which develop a similar quality game. I'm thinking for example in Jessica O'neil's Hard News, for me the renders and the story writing are at the same level and the time between updates is the same too. But, the difference is that this game is four times more popular, has the triple of patreons, and more than four times of earnings. Then, we would expect that this dev would build a team to reduce the time between updates, but he hasn't done it.

On the other hand, the dev of Fashion Business, a game that despite isn't at the same level in writing but has great renders too and many more animations, built a solid team. The quality wasn't reduced and he delivers updates in less than two months, the half of time that he delivered before. FB has the fourth part of popularity than AWAM and still his dev has more patreons, because they recognize his commitment. He is creating a brand and a good reputation. That's the difference between someone responsible when he is increasing the earnings and someone who is not.

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The time between updates might not be slower than most devs, but it's what's in each update that's the problem.

Again, if L&P keeps doing half-day updates it will be 9+ years before the game is completed. That's based on updates taking 3 months at minimum and assuming that each day will have just as many events in the latter stages as they do now and thus require being split into 2 updates. (19 full days left = 38 updates x 3 month update cycle = 114 months = 9 years, 6 months).

Now, things might change if branches get clipped naturally and days later on in the game start to have less events, but we don't know if that will happen and we're still not even halfway through the playable days. To just get to the full day 15 will take us to mid-2022 and there will still be 15 more days to go after that.

Yes, getting other people to work with them would help, but I don't see that happening because, for one, you have to pay people for their work and if L&P doesn't have the money to do that then they can't do it, and secondly, it can be difficult to trust someone else with you passion project because you need them to be on the same page and getting someone like that is probably too hard and too time-consuming, and could affect the development of this VN even more.

Therefore, the only way I can see for this to get finished before the middle of this decade is to trim some of the fat off the game itself. Yes, some people might not be happy to see certain minor side characters get cut out and their storylines ended earlier than previously planned, but this is a case where "the needs of the many outweight the need of the few". Right now the "many" is everyone who doesn't want this game to end because L&P bit off more than they can chew and realises they can't possibly spend 9 years on one VN and abandons it because they got burned out.

Trim the fat, lessen the scope, and set a 3 year goal for completion because the current pace is ridiculous.

Okay, i played this game 2 or 3 times now, and i have to say, i really don't like how the dev blocks certain actions, or better yet, how some action give you an exorbitant amount of good-wife, while taking down the filthy, why so binary? All the work i had to make her more open minded was destroyed by what? 2 choices? i'll probably play again to see if i can get past this, but in reality i'll probably end up changing the code. Otherwise, the story seems great, ilike how in one path problem come, and in the other they are avoided(trying not to spoil much), it's good to have consequences, i just wish that i could have a more balanced playthrough.

KinkyGal69 said:

LoL
Some of us feel the same way as you, I also wonder why lesbian route come first to think of it, it would be difficult to change married straight woman sex orientation to become a lesbian than to commiting adultery with different guy outside her marriage

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Because it's safe, precisely since it's not adultery. Some of my friends don't even consider it cheating. Women hanging out together is perfectly accepted, and considering how much women like to gossip, talk and support each other. So it's natural if emotional feelings grow.

tundralupus said:

Okay, i played this game 2 or 3 times now, and i have to say, i really don't like how the dev blocks certain actions, or better yet, how some action give you an exorbitant amount of good-wife, while taking down the filthy, why so binary? All the work i had to make her more open minded was destroyed by what? 2 choices? i'll probably play again to see if i can get past this, but in reality i'll probably end up changing the code. Otherwise, the story seems great, ilike how in one path problem come, and in the other they are avoided(trying not to spoil much), it's good to have consequences, i just wish that i could have a more balanced playthrough.

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Alley_Cat said:

Because it's safe, precisely since it's not adultery. Some of my friends don't even consider it cheating. Women hanging out together is perfectly accepted, and considering how much women like to gossip, talk and support each other. So it's natural if emotional feelings grow.

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Yeah, i tough so, but my main problem is that i lose or gain too many points and can't get that scene, unless i submit her into stuff with other people.

tundralupus said:

Yeah, i tough so, but my main problem is that i lose or gain too many points and can't get that scene, unless i submit her into stuff with other people.

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This cheat mod is probably your best bet then

Alley_Cat said:

This cheat mod is probably your best bet then

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thanks, was gonna do it manually, but this helps, maybe will give the game another chance.

tundralupus said:

thanks, was gonna do it manually, but this helps, maybe will give the game another chance.

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The cheat mod will allow you to change values on the fly, which is why I like it. Unless you want to use Unren to give yourself stupid amounts of Filthy points, which also works

Alley_Cat said:

The cheat mod will allow you to change values on the fly, which is why I like it. Unless you want to use Unren to give yourself stupid amounts of Filthy points, which also works

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My idea was more to take out the "if filthy > good wife" statments, also, maybe changing some values.

tundralupus said:

My idea was more to take out the "if filthy > good wife" statments, also, maybe changing some values.

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From what I'm aware, L&P is adding even more of those to the code, so just setting Filthy to something like 200 - 300 would be far easier. Unless you're crazy like me and spend far too much time delving into the code (I mainly do it to discover things, like why I suspect Dylan broke the dishwasher).

again a little reflection on the plot and its development.
It seems to me that the author was a little mistaken in the prehistory of the main game. If you look carefully, Sofia really lives and gives advances to everyone with whom she communicates one way or another. Advances for closer communication with her.
She categorically refused no one from those who tried to flirt with her. From workers to Bennett. The toughest conversation was with Bennett, but before that, she felt his cock and took off her panties in the middle of the hall in the restaurant. As if letting him know that she was ready for other concessions.
Maybe the work of a teacher in a distant northern city was just a cover for the work of an elite prostitute? Then all her actions are logically justified. Hiding behind her work at school, Sofia is studying the market of services that she can provide to high-ranking officials. Southern city, high competition in this type of business. A thorough approach to this issue is needed.

If everything is not so sad with her story, then other thoughts arise.
How life teaches us - women are divided into three categories:
Yes.
Yes, but not for you.
No. In any case, not here and not now.
The author so far deduces the character and actions of Sofia, as women from the third category.
One of the forum participants wrote that the new circumstances of life, climate and terrain are affecting both Sofia and her daughter and son. Only Liam was left out of brackets.
I believe that when you see half-naked and naked female pussy, ass and breasts, ready to spread legs, buttocks and open your mouth for a member of your boss, for 20 hours a day, the wife with whom you live for 18 years will be less attractive to you. Do you really think that a male obstetrician after 10 years of work is also excited from any female breast?
I think that the line of a good wife will be the most unexpected. The line of dirty Sofia or Sofia - a lesbian seems clear to me.
There will be either drunk and excited Sofia, or Sofia, who persuaded herself to what she so wanted, but in other circumstances she did not dare. And the explanation will be the same in all cases: "Liam doesn’t fuck me, I have to do everything myself ..."
And no matter who it is, Sam, Dylan, daughter, Patricia or the guys from the museum. Blackmail, debate, alcohol, sexual dissatisfaction.
But on the line of a good wife, Liam needs to be aroused so that he again sees the object of sexual attention in Sofia. This requires intrigue.


You can of course do everything in the style of this game in a straightforward and primitive way:
For instance:
Sofia.
Liam, honey. I understand that you are working for the good of our family. And trying to work out the debt that you freak lost in the casino. But you completely forgot that I am a woman and I have some needs. When are you going to do your marital duty? I want to suck your dick. I want you to fill all my holes with your seed. I want to experience an enchanting orgasm, at least once every 2 or 3 months.
Liam.
Darling, I work like a horse. I'm lazy to even think about sex with you.
Captions. Liam's thoughts.
Your breasts are of course nothing yet, but they are not as elastic and not as fervently sticking out as those of our girls, whom I fuck every day at all holes at work. You can't even swallow my sperm, even though you know how it turns me on, but they are ready for anything.

Sofia.
Beloved, how do you feel about my proposal so that this weekend we invite our neighbors and Patricia and her husband. You will be at home. Dylan in a boarding school, Daughter will leave with her lesbian friends for a walk until the morning.
I saw with what interest you look at Patricia and Amber, maybe we should have a swinger party at home?
Girls and boys do not mind. You will see how your friends will fuck me and you can fuck Patricia and Amber yourself.
Captions. Thoughts Sofia. If you have enough health.
Sofia.
I am sure this will revitalize our relations and give them piquancy.
Captions. Thoughts of Sofia. And then I’m already tired of moaning under Dylan and Sam and Karl so fucked up my ass that I have a constant draft from the open anus.

humanno21 said:

I am basically used to see this thread go out of control with nonsense gibberish, but I am sure that I will have last laugh very soon when dev abandons this blue balling extravaganza before even real action starts....

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Yeah because, walking away from 12k per month is what any sane person would do. Talk about nonsensical gibberish!

Lord_Xanatos said:

Thank you very much farrah I was waiting for this info.

So...for my own game and path, I think it'll be...
Morning:
3) Don Morello
Noon:
1) home schooling (2nd side job)
2) Aiden's 3rd task
3) Sophia/Dylan
Afternoon:
2) Dylan/Ellie

Again, until the upcoming update to have an idea, but meeting with Morello in the morning? not even during "Casino hours"? Perhaps Old dog could be right and the whole thing with Morello will be some sort of escort or something like that for having to meet with him in the morning instead of the evening or night.

Haha!! I wish that could be possible but unfortunately, I highly doubt it'll ever happen, in spite of the Poll position Liam is still important in the game.
Maybe on the filthy route could or should be possible and leave Liam more anchored only in (my point of view, The boring) good wife path.

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Well, she may agree to High-class courtesan as you have pointed out with Old Dog's thoughts, but If you choose not to go through with his agreement or scheme, then there has to be a flip side to that story. Don Morello, I doubt, will let Liam off the hook since he knows Liam can't pay back the debt to him. So If Sophia disagrees with Don's request what could the consequences be for that action? Just like turning down Aiden's request which resulted in sending Dylan to boarding school, something would have to come from that. Could she ask her Sister and Carl to help with the debt, which could open up a path for Carl (I hope not)? Would she dump Liam or kick him from the house because his gambling actions put the family at risk of the mob (Crossing my fingers on this one. I want him gone ). Or is it possible that Sophia and Liam will find another way through it together?

Dr.Fapalot said:

Well, she may agree to High-class courtesan as you have pointed out with Old Dog's thoughts, but If you choose not to go through with his agreement or scheme, then there has to be a flip side to that story. Don Morello, I doubt, will let Liam off the hook since he knows Liam can't pay back the debt to him. So If Sophia disagrees with Don's request what could the consequences be for that action? Just like turning down Aiden's request which resulted in sending Dylan to boarding school, something would have to come from that. Could she ask her Sister and Carl to help with the debt, which could open up a path for Carl (I hope not)? Would she dump Liam or kick him from the house because his gambling actions put the family at risk of the mob (Crossing my fingers on this one. I want him gone ). Or is it possible that Sophia and Liam will find another way through it together?

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The house comes as a perk of Liam's job, so Sophia can't kick him out of the house.

Alley_Cat said:

The house comes as a perk of Liam's job, so Sophia can't kick him out of the house.

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Really???? You really think if there is a separation between a spouse that one doesn't get removed from the resident or one of the spouses leaves the house on their own willingly regardless of who owns the property?

I think, what are the possible options for the development of the game:
1. The way of a good wife-Sophia and Liam are doing well, they have sex every day - in the bedroom, in the shower, in the pool, and so on... and it's a good way...
2. The way of the bad wife - on this way they somehow have to solve the case with the casino debt, and the options on this path are the same two:
A) Sophia agrees to work for Morello, and then she gets fucked by everyone Morello points at.
B) Sophia refuses Morello's offers - and then all their fun family thrown out of their house, they rent a small apartment somewhere in the Mexican quarter,and there they will have a fun life... with unpredictable options
Does this not follow from the course of the entire previous game?

Dr.Fapalot said:

Well, she may agree to High-class courtesan as you have pointed out with Old Dog's thoughts, but If you choose not to go through with his agreement or scheme, then there has to be a flip side to that story. Don Morello, I doubt, will let Liam off the hook since he knows Liam can't pay back the debt to him. So If Sophia disagrees with Don's request what could the consequences be for that action? Just like turning down Aiden's request which resulted in sending Dylan to boarding school, something would have to come from that. Could she ask her Sister and Carl to help with the debt, which could open up a path for Carl (I hope not)? Would she dump Liam or kick him from the house because his gambling actions put the family at risk of the mob (Crossing my fingers on this one. I want him gone ). Or is it possible that Sophia and Liam will find another way through it together?

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Ajavrick said:

I think, what are the possible options for the development of the game:
1. The way of a good wife-Sophia and Liam are doing well, they have sex every day - in the bedroom, in the shower, in the pool, and so on... and it's a good way...
2. The way of the bad wife - on this way they somehow have to solve the case with the casino debt, and the options on this path are the same two:
A) Sophia agrees to work for Morello, and then she gets fucked by everyone Morello points at.
B) Sophia refuses Morello's offers - and then all their fun family thrown out of their house, they rent a small apartment somewhere in the Mexican quarter,and there they will have a fun life... with unpredictable options
Does this not follow from the course of the entire previous game?

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I didn't realize San Alejo was in a Mexican Quarter. I guess you learn something new every day.

DonkeyFace said:

Yeah because, walking away from 12k per month is what any sane person would do. Talk about nonsensical gibberish!

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Dev by now spent almost 3 years of his life doing this. You think that he/she will be able to spend three more at least to finish this, without life events get into way? And we probably wont see any real sexual content for at least a year.
Do you see in how turbulent and uncertain times we live?
That is why I am not giving money for one person projects.

atlas114 said:

thanks farrah for the update! still no movement on the progress bar unfortunately. (50% scenes written, 45% rendered)

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truerty said:

This game will inevitably come to a point where he needs to hire atleast one guy to split up his work. Why do it later when you can do it now and prevent your patreons from leaving

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He ain't hiring anybody. If he wanted to share the wealth he would've done it already.

that poll for what?