Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iran v United States (2022 FIFA World Cup)

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 12:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Iran v United States (2022 FIFA World Cup)

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Crazy WP:CRYSTALBALL that this match will be notable. Everything else is WP:ROUTINE. We don't highlight every football matches, only those with a legacy, such as finals of major competitions, or freak scorelines. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football, Iran, and United States of America. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Selective merge to 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B#Iran vs United States. This reads like a news/opinion piece and most of it is about the 1998 game, but some info like the bruhaha about the flag on Twitter and the match security can be mentioned in the section on the group article (which now just consists of two short sentences), along with a match report when the game actually happens. Not seeing much evidence of the in-depth coverage required to justify a standalone article at the moment. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:26, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete/Merge Does not warrant an own article. If something happens, that deserves an article, it will be done but not now. Kante4 (talk) 15:58, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Do we really need a redirect for every World Cup match? Just delete it. Nfitz (talk) 16:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete routine group stage match with no major storylines (like there may have been in the 1998 match). I oppose a merge/redirect because "Iran v United States (2022 FIFA World Cup)" is an unlikely search term. People looking for the match would be more likely to go to the World Cup page (or Group B page) to find the match report there. Frank Anchor 17:47, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Everything about this doesn't deal with the not-yet-played match or its players and should be a sub-paragraph in section 12 of Iran–United States relations. Maybe...wait for the actual game to play out before creating an article? Nate • (chatter) 17:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Qatar. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Hold This is a valid draft towards a match to be played in under 24 hours, has no one consider a merge with United States v Iran (1998 FIFA World Cup) ? Also, this is down to the outcome of the result, and what political, social echoes come from the match. Those delete votes really need to look at the bigger picture and not just the game. A different rivalry article could be constructed with the two matches now. Govvy (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment I'm asking for a deletion of everything not to do with the actual 22 men on the field playing the game; if something really does happen tomorrow that's on par with the 1972 Olympic Men's Basketball Final, then yes, article justified and some of this belongs there for sure. But the thing the title described actually has to happen first. Nate • (chatter) 00:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Before creating this article, I thought of continuing the 1998 article. But it can be only if the 1998 page is moved. Maxaxa (talk) 07:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

But, like why create an article about a match that isn't yet notable? If it ends up a 9-0 win today, it'd likely warrant its own article. If not, it simply isn't notable enough. I'm not entirely convinced the 98 match is independently notable from the tournament either. There might be scope for a mention more in the US-Iran relations article as these articles have very little to do with football and what actually happens. We should be trying to expand our existing articles, such as the Group B article with a match summary before splitting into individual articles (especially over something that is yet to happen). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• Wait until the match happens. Unless the match itself is extraordinary, then delete this. Two countries having political feelings towards each other doesn't make the match between them notable. United States v Iran (1998 FIFA World Cup) was a big upset, whereas even if Iran win this match today, it wouldn't be much of an upset (both team are close in the FIFA World Rankings.) Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

  It should be allowed due to the fact that this game is significant for 24 years. 2603:8080:A00:6A34:801C:A954:5B41:1F4A (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

  Well, the year isn't 2046, so that seems unlikely. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: Group matches in FIFA are run of the mill and not notable. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable before the match started and non-notable after the match ended. — Chevvin 21:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Nothing to suggest the match deserves a separate article. Important information can be instead transferred to 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B#Iran 0–1 United States. Rennespzn (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B#Iran 0–1 United States Now that the match has been played it was unexceptional; whatever else went on should go to Iran–United States relations. Nate • (chatter) 22:09, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• No need to redirect an “unexceptional” match to the Group Stage article unless that is done for all matches played (which would be a ridiculous waste of time). A straight delete is the better option. Frank Anchor 01:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

• Delete – the match was unexceptional, and any controversy leading up to the match can be covered in 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B or Iran–United States relations. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 22:46, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete: The match itself lacks the notability to be an article. As others have pointed out, the controversy surrounding it can be covered in other sections, not an article. Ardije (talk) 23:08, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. Specific group matches generally aren't notable, even though the World Cup may be. The match itself isn't especially noteworthy, being a 0–1 win for the U.S., and is sufficiently covered in 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B#Iran 0–1 United States. As Vilenski says above, the match might've been notable if it were a 0–9 win, but nothing of the sort happened.
  Most of the information in this article is only tangentially related to the match, which depending on one's viewpoint violates WP:COATRACK, WP:UNDUE, and/or WP:NOTNEWS. The reason I'm !voting "delete" rather than "redirect" is that, if you take out the irrelevant information in question, there is literally nothing worth merging. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete if not Merge to United States v Iran (1998 FIFA World Cup). Not notable for a standalone article. Rylesbourne (talk) 00:36, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Now the game has been played, which now has a result, I would say the only routine thing is the football, the other political backdrop behind the game does seem to be covered in other articles. I see no need to merge content over. Govvy (talk) 12:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

  You mean because the US won the article must be deleted and the 1998 article must be kept because Iran won? Maxaxa (talk) 19:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Note, the Legacy section (along with a lot more of the article) is incredibly POV. It looks very likely to be deleted from the above, but I am worried about the amount of views for a current event written like this. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

• Delete: I tried to clean up the article a bit, but this is very much smells of WP:RECENTISM to me. While there definitely were odd things surrounding this match that wouldn't have occurred had the two teams not been from countries with such a fraught relationship, there is not a whole lot suggesting this has long term notability. A more comprehensive rewrite is needed if kept. TartarTorte 14:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
• Delete no need for a redirect as an unlikely search term. Non-notable match. Any information regarding the lead-up or aftermath of the match is already present at 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B, and any additional prose can be added there. Jay eyem (talk) 19:35, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
• Fair play: Why all parts of the article indicating the notability of the match in world media are deleted? They were not sourced? The sources are not reliable?--Maxaxa (talk) 20:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

It's all WP:ROUTINE coverage. Articles are supposed to be independently notable from parent articles. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Speedy delete. I am the vandal who created the article. Given the media attention the match attracted, works devoted to the match are forthcoming and they will make a separate article inevitable. Hurry up, time is running out. Love you, the world cup was more fun with you.--Maxaxa (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B per reasons by others. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 21:27, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

@Maxaxax Why are you calling yourself a vandal? Also, the article doesn't appear to meet any of the criteria for speedy deletion. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 21:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2022 FIFA World Cup Group B as possible search term. GiantSnowman 19:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. We don't create an article for every match in the World Cup -- or in any other competition for that matter -- and there is nothing extraordinarily unique about this match that warrants an article either. The fact that some people chose to see (or seed) political overtones isn't a notable for an article. Mercy11 (talk) 01:23, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

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